AskBaby Talk > IVF & Sterilisation Reversal > Getting pregnant after sterilisation reversall part 14
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:08 am
Thanks, I ight look into that, I doubt my surgeon will help me prescribe it yet as it only been 3 months TTC, I'll read up on soy, do yu know why it takes time after reversal, ???? Is it the tubes are swollen, or what, and your right , it's a killer wait, I have so much doubt in myself and my partner, the pressure is immense, it's made it a chore and not love, I'm Aways doubting the surgery hasn't worked and the tubes have sealed, I know there is a test but its a whopping 462 and then it's a 120 consultation fee to explain the outcome, I'm still struggling to pay off the credit card for the op.
right I'm off to the soy section to look into that xxx
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:29 am
Depends on your age Salad ? Some docs don't see any point in waiting if you're over 35 , I think mine would probably have given it after my Op if I'd thought to ask then
No real idea why it seems to take a while after the reversal
Maybe some of it is related to us all being a bit older , the swelling in the tubes goes down pretty quickly so it shouldn't be that but they're such delicate things and quite complex as well with how they work, so maybe it takes them a bit sometimes to get back into the swing of things
Timing might be more important after as well as often you lose some of the bit of the tubes that help nourish the sperm and keep them alive if they get there early ,or the bit that makes the mucous that helps propel the sperm and egg together , so that might play a part
If nothings happening by 6 months in your GP should refer you for tests if you ask, I had my HSG on the NHS as its considered an investigation , privately at the spire hospital I went to its £260 and no charge for explaining the results, so if you did want one in a few months and the GP said no then its worth shopping around , Good luck with the soy section, thats a very long post Oh and my names Nat by the way xx
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:15 pm
Hi Pumpkin, dont thjink weve `spoken` yet lol but i hope you had a nice dasy?? x
OOOOOOOOOOHH NOOOOO Salad sorry the witch csame i wish you luck with this month, maybe worth trying the Soy/clomid as ive heard its helpeda few ladiesx
Hiya Nat (hope you dont mind me calliny you your `proper` name lol) Good luck hope the new things your trying help xx
Hi Shell, Jane and everyone ive missed hope your both well today?? Were snowed in again and DS school is shut but at least we got to build a lady friend for our snowman
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:22 pm
Thanks nat, I looked and I've decided to go for it, I went out and bought some soy from tesco, it was rated and cheaper, and I know what dose to take, plenty of people have took it after years of trying and got preg straight away, I e also bought a bumper pack of ov strips too, in case it messes with my cycle a bit, lets hope it works, if not I'm trading in my partner for a younger model lol, oh the joys of TTC lol x
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:37 pm
Hi Kerry, thanks Hun, yeah I've bought the soya, sill start taking it tommorow and ill chart my bbt, gonna have to fob off my partner about why I'm changing the bed dates around, he won't like the idea of me taking it, but im prepared to give anything a go x
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:35 pm
DAWNE, I AM ON MY 2ND ROUND OF CLOMID. I WAITED 6 MONTHS AFTER MY REVERSAL TO ASK FOR IT DUE TO I WAS NOT RUSHING BUT WHEN I DIDNT GET BFP ON 6 MONTH MARK I ASK MY DOCTOR TO GIVE ME CLOMID.. SHE ALSO PUT ME ON PROGESTERONE PILLS AND A PROGESTERONE CREAM.. I HAVE TO DO A 21 DAY PROGESTERONE LEVEL EVERY MONTH.. MY FIRST LEVEL WITHOUT MEDICINE WAS 1.0 WHICH WAS BORDERLINE. WHEN I TOOK IT AFTER THE MEDICINE IT WAS 53.9..... I ASKED FOR THE CLOMID DUE TO MY AGE I WILL BE 38 IN 2 WEEKS... I DONT KNOW HOW IT IS WHERE YALL LIVE BUT IN THE STATES U SEE A OB/GYN DOCTOR FOR ALL YOUR FEMALE NEEDS AND U DONT HAVE TO GET A REFERRAL FOR IT...YOUR RIGHT IT IS LIKE A CHORE BUT IT HAS TO BE DONE.... IT WAS DEPRESSING WHEN I GOT MY FIRST AF AFTER TRYING THE FIRST TIME...I REALLY HOPE YOU GET YOUR BFP SOON!!!!
NAT THANKS FOR THE ADVICE.. I DID BD JUST INCASE.. YOUR RIGHT ABOUT THE PRE SEED .... SO WHAT IS UP WITH THE SOY? WHAT DOES IT DO TO HELP YOU?
KERRY I WISH IT WOULD SNOW HERE!!! BUT IT IS A PRETTY DAY OUTSIDE AND THE TEMP IS 56 DEGREES..WHEN DID U HAVE YOUR REVERSAL?
HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY GIRLS!!!
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:37 pm
The soy works practically the same way as clomid Shelly , its just milder,it helps boost your oestrogen levels, you shouldn't take it with clomid as you don't want to go too far in one direction though
Over here the docs are a bit different on the NHS you see a GP (general practioner) for everything (except emergencies) if they feel you need to see a consultant or specialist doctor at a hospital then they do a referral (or not with all the current cut backs ) You can't self refer , its a pain really and makes having any sort of fertility issues more of a problem than it needs to be ,GP's are pretty much useless when it somes to fertility as its not really part of their training , under 35 they won't refer you until you've tried for a year and over 35 you have to try for 6 months, but then it can take months for an appointment and then more delays on waiting lists before getting treated
The only way round it is private treatment which is very expensive xx
Salad I tried Soy for quite a few months when first trying , in fact right from the first month I'd already been BBT charting for about 5 months and noticed on soy I had temp changes while taking it, and would get raised temps for about the first week of my cycle I also found that taking it cd1-5 meant I ov'd earlier but when I took it cd3-7 I ov'd later
Some women find the opposite though
It can be a bit trial and error, i would start with a low dose though, about 80mg seems to be the norm ( I got the tesco ones too ), and then if no luck this month maybe up it a little each month like the docs suggest with clomid
You do have to be a little cautious as anything that dramatically raises oestrogen levels can very slightly increase the risk of an ectopic ,something to do with the tube not letting go of the egg as it should as oestrogen makes muscles more tense and the tube is supposed to hold the egg for about 4 days after fertilisation but then as progesterone rises after ov it relaxes the tube and lets the egg move to the uterus, if oestrogen is too high it can stop that happening So its always best to take the lowest dose that does the trick xx
Had another nice relaxing day caught up on some tv that I'd recorded but not had chance to watch and put my feet up
I've been having the weirdest feeling low down in my abdomen today though , the closest I can describe it is like a buzzing almost like a very mild electric shock but not painful Very weird It must have happened about 6 or 7 times
I found myself thinking earlier that if I did ov on Friday night then something could be implanting today so i cut that thought off right there and then can do without crazy symptom spotting for the next 10 days
On a positive note though my belly button scar is looking so much better, literally everyday I see an improvement
I wish I'd taken pics before I started the tablets now to compare but its definately thinner, less raised, less red , the two lines where the stitches were are now clearly two seperate lines whereas they looked like one ridge and the scar from the actual cut is much flatter.
I can feel the difference in it too , one bit of it that was quite a lump (where the internal stitch had poked through and stopped it healing) went a bit itchy and bleed a little, then scabbed over (sorry if anyones eating ) which really surprised me as its an old scar and when that came off its much less raised
In my forearm I can't even feel the little ridge of scar that I had under the skin where my implant was , so if this stuff is doing the same inside as outside then I can see why people rave about it
I'm actually feeling a little hopeful that it might work
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:50 pm
Hey girls, yeah nats right, it works so different here, I have a question thugh, I had all my tests done before I had the reversal, cycle 2-4 and 21 and all my levels are ok, but I wanna try it this month, I'm having to order a bbt thermometer off line as I can't find one in the chemist round here, I'm gonna do ov strips too, I've never charted before so it's all new to me, but I read this
Take temp each morning orally As i I sleep mouth shut and I don't fancy the bit below bit, and record it, when it drops it means I'm ov???? Or am I going to ov in the next two days, ???? Help,
And yes I got the tesco ones, I'm gonna start with 80mg days 3-7 shall I take 120 mg on day 6&7 or just the 80mg?...
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:13 pm
I'd stick with the 80mg all the days at first Dawne , and I use a braun ear thermometer for my BBT as long as you use the same one all the time and it has enough decimal places than I don't think it matters where you put it
I also found that getting up and going to the loo before I took it didn't affect it, its only anything strenuous that throws it off , erm I don't always see a dip before Ov I did have one this month though on the friday morning of about .4 of a degree and it was still down a little on Saturday which i'm certain was the latest that I could have ov'd , if you do catch one then its probably because you're getting your surge so ov can happen anytime up to 48hrs or so after , maybe even a bit more, its hard to say as it varies from woman to woman and month to month
You should see how long your surge is though on the OPK's
I've learnt nothing is set in stone when it comes to TTC and have had surges as short as a few hours and as long as 5 days and you can ov before you even realise you're having it or after it finishes
I don't use OPK's anymore just watch temps and cm changes, and if I see watery or clear cm then start BD and try and do every day or otherday until I get that temp rise and then I know I can't have missed it
With the OPK's we would do the night I first saw my surge and try and do the next 2 or 3 nights as well
most dos say only count it as your first day if AF arrives before 5pm, some even say the cut off is dinner time
For me I say as long as its full on AF not spotting then I count it as my first day if it happens before bed time xx
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:39 pm
Ok, wow it's so confusing, so I was going to start with soy tommorow but ill leave it til Friday, I'll start my charting Friday too As I don't get it til tommorow, 4.99 off amazon. It comes with a chart but I'm gonna use my fertility friend too, my partner is ok with doing it this way as long as I don't talk about it lol
He like most men don't wanna hear about it more than once, it's like " ok I agree let's try for a baby". And that's all they wanna know til your pregnant ha ha,
So, wish me luck, xxx
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:53 pm
NAT THANKS!!! BUT I NEVER HEARD OF THE SOY BEFORE....
DAWNE IM LIKE NAT IF AF IS NORMAL I COUNT IT AS CD1...AND NO QUESTION IS TUPID BELIEVE U ME I HAVE ASK SOME WEIRD ONES AND THESE WONDERFUL LADIES HAVE ALWAYS MADE ME FEEL LIKE ITS OK .......
THAT SUCKS THAT YALL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A GP FIRST BEFORE U CAN SEE ANOTHER DOCTOR.. I GUESS ITS DIFFERENT IN EVERY COUNTRY.. I BET THE GP GETS OVERLOADED WITH REFERRALS AND THEN IT PROB TAKES WEEKS TO MONTHS FOR SOMEONE TO GET BACK TO YALL...DID YALL HAVE TO HAVE A REFERRAL TO GET THE REVERSAL? I FOUND A DOCTOR THAT DOES IT AND JUST MADE THE APPT AND HAD IT DONE NO REFERRAL OR PERMISSION FROM A DOCTOR.. MY INSURANCE DIDNT COVER IT I HAD TO PAY $5,250... AFTER MY SURGERY I WENT TO MY OB DOCTOR THAT I HAVE ALWAYS SEEN FOR MY FEMALE PROBLEMS....
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:37 am
I think almost all of us had to go private for the reversals Shelly, in fact i can only remember Rachel having hers on the NHS, basically the NHS will do the sterilisation as they figure it will save them money but won't do the reversals
We have private Hospitals and NHS hospitals, so you can just ring the private ones direct, have a consultation (which is about 200 pounds ) and then book your Op, mine was just under £3,000 , which is about $5,000 the same as you paid, but it can be £5,000 (about $8,000) not many people have health insurance here as its so expensive and often won't cover things that the NHS won't do anyway .
GP referrals can take ages, it depends on the Hospitals , my first one was very quick just a couple of weeks for my HSG but , my second one was a 4 month wait , and the one for this last Op I was referred in Jan last year, had my appointment in May and had to wait until the end of October for the Op but the doc I saw was one of only 3 or 4 docs who do the Op (on the NHS)in the whole country
We really are miles behind the US in some ways , the NHS is always reluctant to try anything new unless it can be shown it will save them money and even then they drag their feet, The NICE are a body who recommends which treatments they should use and they recommend the cannulation but still the NHS don't offer it
Whereas in a country with lots of private patients you can vote with your feet and go elsewhere with your insurance cash if a doctor or hospital doesn't offer something , so the demand drives the new treatments , I noticed the same in Germany were they also have a private health care system .
I've read of US women having a HSG at their OB/Gynae doctors and if a blockage is found having a cannulation there and then using x-rays to guide them , if that was available here I could have had it done on my first HSG 6 months after my reversal and maybe got back to trying before the other scar tissue formed
Does your insurance cover any additional treatment now then , stuff like the clomid ?
Or a HSG if your doc thinks you need one ? xx
Salad it is a bit confusing A lot of women on here use fertility friend and find it works well most of the time, sometimes it can give you the wrong day for ov if your temps are a bit off , I tried it out but I got fed up having to adjust the charts for my temps to fit it so I charted on paper in the end now I just take my temp certain days and I know if its a pre ov or post ov temp, its weird how similar those are every month
My OH didn't want to know the ins and outs either, he didn't even want me to tell him when I was ov'ing as he didn't want to feel pressured bless him Good luck xx
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:37 pm
Hi lovely ladies
Been catching up on afewposts as couldnt get online last night think the weather messed upthesignals??
Hi Shelly, yes another snow day hear which isgetting to be a pain in the butt now lol aseverything just seems to halt! like they didnt know it was coming?? our road never got gritted grrr orbinscollected.. Plus DS2 and DS3 schools are shut again (no heating ) itsa good job i am at home atm (decided to be a SAHM til ourDD starts nursery) I havented decided wetherto go for reversal orIVF yet, im waiting to see whatconsultant thinkswill work best forus..He will book me in for the op or startme on theIVF route..
Hi Nat hope your `tingling` is a sign somethings working
Hi Salad, ive got a DH similar to yours lol,he leaves all the investigating,booking apts to me and just thinks he needs to `turn up` and his jobs done which can sometimes get to me as it feels like I want this more than him at times but really its just his way he`s not one for getting emotional and knows i like to do stuff myself (so i know there done right pmsl) so he cant win really
Good luck everyone ive missed, the board seems to be getting a little busier
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:05 pm
NAT YES MY INSURANCE DOES PAY FOR MY CLOMID AND THE PROGESTERONE PILLS AND CREAM.. WHICH THE CLOMID IS ONLY $17 OUT RIGHT WITH NO INSURANCE WHICH IS NOT BAD.. THE PROGESTERONE PILLS ARE $150 BUT I ONLY PAY $3.01 THE CREAM IS $459.60 AND I ONLY PAY $5... SOME INSURANCE DOESNT PAY FOR THE HSG BUT IF THE DOCTOR WORDS THE ORDER RIGHT THEN IT WILL PAY FOR IT.. NOT SURE HOW MUCH ONE COST I HAVENT HAD TO HAVE ONE YET. HOW MUCH WAS YOURS? MY DOCTOR SAID IF I HAVENT HAD ANY LUCK BY THE ONE YEAR MARK WHICH IS MAY THEN I WOULD NEED ONE..
SO SORRY THAT YALL HAVE TO WAIT SO LONG FOR SOME THINGS.. MAYBE IN THE FUTURE YALL WILL BE LIKE US WITH THE HEALTH CARE BUT THEN AGAIN WITH THE PRESIDENT WITH THE OBAMA CARE DONT KNOW WHAT WILL BE WITH THAT
I HAVE INSURANCE WHERE I WORK AND I ONLY PAY $5 A MONTH FOR IT AND THAT INCLUDES DENTAL..
MY HUSBAND WORK PAYS FOR INSURANCE TOO. WE ARE ON DIFFERENT INSURANE BECAUSE ITS CHEAPER THAT WAY. IF I WAS TO GET ON HIS IT WOULD COST $350 A MONTH...
I KNOW ON MY LAST JOB I HAD TO PAY FOR MY INSURANCE AND IT WAS $450 A MONTH JUST FOR ME...
AND WHERE I WORK NOW WHICH IS A HOSPITAL. IF I GET SICK I CAN GO TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM AND THEY WILL TREAT ME FOR FREE....
WHEN YALL GO INTO LABOR OVER THERE IS UR HUSBAND ALLOWED IN THE ROOM WITH U WHEN UR IN LABOR?
JUST WONDERING I HAVE READ A FEW POST WHERE THEY SAY THE DH WAS NOT ALLOWED....