Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 11:24 pm
Post subject: looking for a clinic
Hello girls! I'm new to this forum. I'm looking for advice and support. I'm 28 years old, married, have no children. My husband and I have been in TTC for almost 6 years already. We had 5 cycles of IVF and all unsuccessful. Each failure was unbearable. It was getting worse each other time... I feel myself miserable. My husband comfort me all the time and I appreciate his support. But I feel so ashamed I can't give him children. We've been together since college. All this time we were dreaming and planning to have big happy family. But all these years we had only sadness, failed ttc and loss of money. We work so hard! Andy(my husband) comes home late at night, because he needs to earn as much as he can on each try of IVF... We are so tired of all these. I understand some couples try much longer and spend much more...But I think it's enough IVF tries for us. We discussed our situation and came to the conclusion that childless life is not for us. So there is only one thing left. It's surrogacy. But here we have one more problem - prices. Costs for surrogacy in USA are huge! $100 000 for the procedure is prohibitive price for us. Speaking about India, it have been closed for foreigners recently. Mexico? After reading some reviews we doubt to go there. Greece? Yes, prices are lower, but not that much. $80 000 is a lot... We'll need money for our baby in future. So giving all money for the procedure and then have no ability to maintain our child is not a good choice. Furthermore we'll probably need to take a loan to pay such price. All money we had were spent for IVF attempts. So there are Russia and Ukraine left... Their prices are lower, which is good. But still I have some doubts...I want to talk with somebody, who've had surrogacy in those countries. Is here anybody who experienced this procedure there? Any advice?
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 2:57 pm
I'm sorry for your failed IVF attempts. It's unbearable feeling, when you hope for good, but it never happens. I can't have children too( I was born without an uterus. I just don't have it and this changes everything. I didn't think about having kids till I met my husband. But still I knew something wrong with my body and, when I'll have my own family, I will face some problems inevitably. I met Mike when I was 24. We've been together for 6 years already. First year of our relationships I had been lying to him. It was my biggest mistake… I had been pretending that I'm like the other girls. Once per month I 'had' pain in stomach and bad mood. Only now I see how stupid it was… My husband was the first who talked about having children. I can't tell in words what I felt at that moment. I had dozens of questions in my head. 'Should I tell him now?', 'Should I continue my lie?', 'What will happen when he finds out?' I had been lying half of year more. I pretended I have no clue why we can't conceive. He even thought he is the one who has problems with health. And that was last straw. I told him the truth and we had a huge quarrel. I thought I lost him forever… But love turned out to be stronger! I had never lied to my husband again. After consultation with a doctor and some discussions we decided, that surrogacy is our only solution. We decided to look for clinics abroad. We were afraid to contact agencies, because there are too many scammers and fake agencies. We also decided to concentrate on Russia and Ukraine. Their prices are much lower. But speaking about Russia, we crossed it off of our list. Russian legislation has a law, which gives surrogate mother same rights for baby as parents have. So sm can leave a baby to herself if she wants. We chose Ukrainian clinic. We read many reviews about it and also this clinic has high rates of successful treatments. Our baby was born last year! So we are happy parents now)
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 3:41 pm
I'm glad your story has a happy ending! You made me believe mine will have it too. I didn't know Russia has such a law! Thank you a lot for telling. It's weird some stranger can just grab your child. And the most scary thing is you can do nothing about it, because her actions are legal. We've also heard about fraudsters. There are so many stories of poor people, who gave them all money and didn't get what they wanted. Since India is closed for foreigners now, Ukraine is gaining popularity among infertile couples. Furthermore, there are many reviews that their surrogates are checked carefully. I can't say same thing about Indian surrogates. May I ask which clinic did you choose? What did you like and what not? How was their service? I will appreciate any help!
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 4:12 pm
I'm always ready to help so please ask whatever you need) Recently I was in your shoes. Thanks to kind women, which gave me advices, my surrogacy process finished with positive result. We had surrogacy in BioTexCom. Maybe you've heard about this clinic, there are many reviews about it in the internet. The only thing we kinda dislike was long lines. There were so many people. But from the other side it's good. It means people go there so the clinic is well-known in its field. We were completely satisfied with their services and attitude. We were met in the airport and then taxi was carrying us across Kiev. Also we were provided with accommodation and food. They even gave us smartphones with Ukrainian phone numbers to ease our communication! And the most important was that we had no problems with language barrier! We had a manager, young and very kind girl, who was translating for us and answering our questions. I don't know what would we've done without her) Their doctors are good professionals and also the clinic has modern equipment. So we have no claims at all.
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 4:45 pm
Yes, I've read a lot about this clinic. Everything sounds pretty good. How much did you pay for surrogacy itself? And how much did all those services(I mean taxi, translator, accommodation and so on) cost to you? Did you like housing? Maybe it's better to stay in hotel? Usually they give you the worst to save money) And how long did it take for them to find surrogate mother for you? Did they give you chance to choose her by yourself? I've heard that sometimes search can take half of a year and more. I'm ready to wait as much as needed! I understand that this process takes some time. Somebody waits for years. This is one of the biggest outcomes of infertility…But still we want all process go fast so we can have our baby with us)
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 6:24 pm
They have packages for all services. There are 3 packages in general. Economy package for 29 900, standard for 39 900 and vip for 49 900. We've chosen standard. We liked that you shouldn't pay all sum at once. All amount is divided into 5 parts. It was easier to pay in this way. All those services were included in our package. We didn't pay additional fees. You shouldn't worry about housing! Our apt had all needed facilities and modern design. By the way you can check it by yourself. I remember there were some pics of villas on their website. They found sm for us in 2,5 months. We didn't expect it will be so fast! We thought we'll have to wait longer. So it was great surprise when our program coordinator contacted us to tell us such great news!
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:14 am
Such a relief! I thought this services cost a lot. But what is the difference? For example between standard and vip? I've looked through photos on their website. Honestly saying I was surprised! I didn't expect to see so cool design. And also the clinic looks very modern and 'european' on the pics. I'm glad to know it didn't take long for them to find surrogate mother. 2-3 months are not that big period of time. Did your surrogate mother live with you till delivery?
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:19 am
I don't remember all details about vip package. I know that the clinic finds surrogate mother, who has already had a positive surrogacy experience. Needed blood tests are performed by the coming nurse domiciliary. So you won't have to stay in lines. Also the clinic provides all stuff for new born baby. Also parents are provided with the 24/7 phone consultation of a leading English-speaking pediatrician. Also there is such service in VIP package as babysitter from 9 AM till 6 PM. In standard package, babysitter comes for only 4 hours/day. I forgot to tell you that we didn't choose sm by ourselves. Her appearance is not important in the procedure. The only thing which matters is her health. So the doctor chose sm for us. Also the clinic provided us with all details about condition of sm and our baby girl at least once per month. Our sm lived with her family during the whole program. She has her family, her kids, so it was better for her to stay with them.
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 1:49 am
I should say vip package looks more 'comfortable'. I hate standing in lines! And also the fact that surrogate mother had already experienced surrogacy gives more confidence in success of procedure. It must be hard to be so far away from your baby even if it wasn't born yet… But you have the point here. It's better for sm to stay home. Were there problems with documents for your child? I have no clue how to organize all needed documents in Ukraine. I have so much fear somebody will just take away my baby right in the airport. I understand I'm thinking up the problem…But I'm so nervous! I want everything to be perfect... or at least to be prepared to possible complications. And what about safety? I know there is war in Ukraine, so maybe now is not the best time to go there…I like this clinic, all sounds pretty good. And their prices are so much lower then in US what gave me lots of hope for future parenting. But while watching news, it seems dangerous to be there.
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 1:52 am
You're right, it was very hard to be hundreds miles away from our baby. But we came on planned ultrasounds twice. This helped me to calm down a little and nervous less. The clinic provided us with assistance in the Ukrainian civil registry office to obtain the child’s birth certificate. And of course they helped us in getting a travel pass for our baby. They provided us with housing and food supply during all our visits. This was also already included in our package, so no additional payments. Speaking about war, it's absolutely safe in Kiev. The hostilities take place in east part of Ukraine. So you have nothing to worry about. Just concentrate on your surrogacy procedure) We are fully satisfied with everything. We felt really cosily there. We had no panic considering such questions like were to go or what should we do next or what did she said))) Our program coordinator and other staff were guiding us all the time.
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:39 pm
Such a relief! I was worrying we won't be able to prepare documents correctly. We don't know how all this system is working in Ukraine. Only one mistake and everything will go wrong. I don't want to have troubles in the beginning of parenting and I guess nobody wants! You've calmed me down! It's great news that clinic provides all this help. Thanks to you I have some knowledge about all this surrogacy procedures. I will definitely consider all information and advices you gave me!
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:45 pm
You're welcome dear)I'm glad my experience could help you. This clinic turned our dream into reality. I wish you to choose the one which turn yours too) If you have more questions, please feel free to ask. I'm always ready to help. I wish you good luck and positive results! I'll wait for your impressions after first visit to clinic you've chosen)) I hope to hear great news from you soon!
Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 10:55 am
I also was in biotexcom, but I have dual impressions if talking about service. But it can be because of economy package… Together with hubby we decided that the cheapest package will be ok for us, we hadn’t enough money to pay more. Maybe because of it girls on reception were not so friendly, we didn’t meet any smile) But their achievements in medical sphere are amazing. More and more infertile couples find happiness in this clinic and me too. They are really good, just need to correct some organization things and they will be the best) Of course if I could choose vip the most expensive package, I could be satisfied with everything I think)) but I used economy one and coped with huge lines. I know that positive result is the most important)
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 12:24 pm
We also used Ukrainian BioTexCom. I'm sure you won't regret addressing this clinic. We had surrogacy procedures there twice. Both procedure were successful and we became parents of 3 wonderful kids! The clinic provided us with all needs. We were met by taxi driver. Then taxi was carrying us across the city. We didn't have to find the clinic by ourselves! I'm sure we would be lost. Especially considering the fact that neither I nor my husband know the language. The taxi brought us to the clinic. It's a very modern building I must say. By the way, there were so many people! Couples all over the world, who came for surrogacy and egg donation programs. We didn't expect to see so many people there! I think those lines just show that clinic is not only popular in it's activity, but also infertile couples trust them and have some confidence in positive result. We also had a translator so there were no misunderstandings at all. She translated everything for us and also answered all our questions. We stayed at nice apartment with all needed facilities and even more) We had no problems with food supply or communication. Thanks to smartphones with Ukrainian numbers we could easily talk to our program coordinator. In one word we are absolutely satisfied) I think you can say that from both our successful visits)
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 10:01 am
so many good reviews about ukrainian reproductive medicine! i hope it'll work for us as well. we signed up with one of the clinics up there in Kyiv just a week ago and feel thrilled and overwhelmed. this is our first assisted reproduction procedure ever. we already have our ds who is three, conceived naturally. my uterus was removed after i gave birth to him. sadly, but true. our only hope is for the lady who will carry and deliver our new baby for us.